Gomez aims to return no later than Saturday
Posted on March 27th, 2008 – 5:49 PMBy Joe Christensen
FORT MYERS — Twins center fielder Carlos Gomez said he’ll be back in the lineup no later than Saturday after being scratched from today’s game with soreness behind his left knee.
Gomez left Wednesday’s game with cramping in his left hamstring and talked his way into making Thursday’s trip to Sarasota to play the Reds. He took batting practice and Gardenhire had him in the lineup before Gomez reluctantly told him he had lingering soreness in the leg.
“Maybe play him tomorrow or the next day,” Manager Ron Gardenhire said. “He’s got soreness in there. Silly to run out there right now.”
SHORT HOPS
(*) Former Twins outfield prospect Alex Romero beat out Trot Nixon for the Arizona Diamondbacks’ final roster spot today. Romero hit .333 this spring after batting .310 last year for Class AAA Tucson. The Twins lost Romero on waivers in January 2007.
(*) Gardenhire confirmed that the team is considering letting Nick Blackburn start the third game of the season, which would push Kevin Slowey into the No. 4 slot, but Gardenhire said that was one of several ideas being tossed around. A lot hinges on Friday’s start for Francisco Liriano.
(*) After Livan Hernandez told us he successfully kicked a ball to first base for an out last year with Arizona, I went searching for details and found none on the Internet. Hernandez said it was a regular season game, and that he kicked the ball to Tony Clark.
Sure enough, Clark, now with the Padres, responded to an e-mail to East Valley (Ariz.) Tribune writer Jack Magruder with the following:
I think I remember him rolling it to me. I don’t recall whether he batted it with his glove or kicked it, but he did roll it to me!
Be well… TC
(*) Apparently, there is video of Livan’s kick. A Fort Myers TV station has it, I think, but it wasn’t zoomed enough apparently and doesn’t do it justice.
I typed the words “Livan Hernandez” into YouTube, and all I found were clips of the Twins’ Opening Night starter giving up home runs. There’s Hideki Matsui, Barry Bonds’ 750th, etc.
UPDATE: Hat tip to Jared for linking to footage of The Livan Kick at the end of this sportscast from Sioux Falls, S.D.
96 Responses to "Gomez aims to return no later than Saturday"
Who will be the first to start the Punto sucks chants at the opener?
Get off Punto, would ya already? Show some class.
any chance there’s video of the kicked ball…? can’t find on youtube or twins website. thanks
im ready to say it already…livan is fat and he sucks
ESPN has video of Livan’s kick. I saw it in yesterday’s top 10 plays. It was #3 on the top 10… I don’t see how… it was way better than the #1
Punto Sucks. Deal with it you blind sorry ass homers.
i need a penis enlarger! gardy thinks its to small! thats why he isnt starting me!! damn it damn it damn it!
I too hit YouTube hoping to catch Livan’s kick, but only came up with the two homers. (There’s just too…unless I spelled something wrong)
There’s plenty of footage of the Royals guy hurdling the Dodgers pitcher, but I suppose that’s far more bizarre.
I’ll settle for clips of former Twin (he wasn’t at the time either) Terry Mullholand throwing his ENTIRE GLOVE to first base when he was unable to get the ball out.
Now if only I could find that on YouTube.
And JoeC, I applaud you for still trying to write blog entries about the other 24 players on the Twins roster, despite the desperate attempts of some less than intelligent posters attempting to divert it otherwise (oh ROFL, you can put a fake name in your submission form!)
Hopefully they’ll be able to grow up just in time for Punto’s contract expires. Though I wonder what they’ll do when they’re not able to talk about their favorite player anymore.
Joe C., I saw it on KARE-11 last night.
T,
My memory (which is crappy)tells me that
Zach Ward, RHP, was obtained in the Lohse deal.
Ward was 5-17 4.08 at Fort Myers, but he was losing 2-1, 3-2, 1-0 all year.
“(*) Gardenhire confirmed that the team is considering letting Nick Blackburn start the third game of the season, which would push Kevin Slowey into the No. 4 slot, but Gardenhire said that was one of several ideas being tossed around. A lot hinges on Friday’s start for Francisco Liriano.”
Joe, if Liriano lights up the world tomorrow, the earliest he pitches would be next Wed., because he’ll get his 4 days off, right?
BUT, the two starting pitchers who pitch next Wed & Thurs will be the starters on Monday Apr 7th and Wednesday April 9th (the 8th is an off day) in chilly Chicago.
No way Liriano will be one of those, right?
The 5th starter next Friday (either Baker or Liriano) could skip his 2nd start on Thursday April 10th, and Livan could take that one.
So, I have no idea what Gardy is talking about. No way Liriano pitches 3rd or 4th next Wed or Thurs, and no way he pitches in Chicago.
Baker too.
nick punto plays superlative defense at multiple positions, has hit .290 over an entire major league season, and claims at least a serviceable command of the english language. then there are those contributors to this space so clearly incapable of any such feats that they’re reduced to habitual, indecent exposure of the tragic reality that they’ve absolutely nothing of value to do with their time.
ooooooooooooooooooooooo big words! i like i like!!
ooooooooooooooooooooooo big words!
romer,
You are right - Liriano will probably be left in Florida for the start of the season if he can’t pitch in Chicago on Monday April 7.
Rotation has to be:
Monday31 - Livan
Tuesday1 - Boof
Wednesday2- Blackburn (Liriano? - NO)
Thursday3 - Slowey
Friday4 - Baker
Saturday5 - Livan
Sunday6 - Boof
Monday7 - Blackburn ONLY
Tuesday8 - OFF
Wednesday9 - Slowey
hey, guys~
Any chance we could grow up a bit here? This is a blog about the Twins, the team that most of us (including myself) have been lifelong fans of. The mere fact that we are all at this blog really demonstrates that. Some of the personal attacks that are going on are not only inappropriate, they are just immature. I am not a huge Punto fan, but I am not too blind to notice that he plays good defense, though his offense is, shall we say, lacking.
Talking about genitalia or insulting players’ intelligence really has no place here. If you have a legitimate complaint about how a player is doing or what the manager is doing, SAY it. Don’t throw out innuendo or insults. We’re all here because we like this…
Try not to mess it up.
If you have a legitimate complaint about how a player is doing or what the manager is doing, SAY it.
Or having said it a million times, as some have done, just drop it and move on to talk about other things.
It’s a 25-man roster, that’s 24 other guys that you can find something to talk about. And there’s plenty.
In no particular order:
1) Liriano’s recovery and Baker’s health.
2) Young vs. Cuddy, who will eventually bat 3rd?
3) Gomez’s leg.
4) The successful Spring campaigns of Bass, Tolbert, and Blackburn.
5) The potential fan reaction when Hunter takes to the field for the first time in an opposing uniform.
6) The hunt for footage of Livan’s kick (somebody had it on YouTube today but took it down).
Heck…JoeC, Len3, and Howard all provide us with one or two articles a day worth of Twins news. 95% of the time it’s about things that have nothing to do with Punto.
Remember during the offseason when everybody complained there was a lack of fresh Twins/baseball news admist the constant Santana trade talks?
Well, the irony of it is the writers have started to write about a variety of topics…and now some of those same fans can’t seem to discuss anything but Punto.
It’s odd that the more somebody hates him, the more they seem to want to talk about him. And the less an article has to do with Punto, the faster it seems to get right back on it. (See the first post of this very entry)
To those of you that fall into that last group: Shut up, or at least grow up. Twins baseball starts Monday. That’s four days to get familiar with the other 24 players on the big league roster so you’ll be able to actually contibute something for once.
yes! 4 more days until we get to see the fort myers miracle play! i mean the minnesota twins!
they really need to restrict 8 year olds from posting on blogs….
Joe — Nice blog, but I guess from now on I’ll just stick to reading your comments and not waste my time on the juvenilia masquarading as feedback. Sorry, but the Strib has lost control of the comment section.
I have seen the video of Hernandez kicking the ball. I am not sure about all the hoopla. He was less than 10 feet from Mournea. The fact that Morneau caught the ball was much more impressive since Hernandez was so close to Morneau. Let’s not create a mountain out of an ant hill.
Those are not 8 year olds.
8 year olds are not that full of hate, envy, anger and jealousy of MLB players.
8 year olds don’t spend their time wallowing in their own failures.
Those are adult player-haters with the mental and emotional development of an 8 year old.
well said sid.
anyways. i really believe livan is gonna make his critics eat there words this year. this team needs a breath of fresh air, maybe livan can be taht relief.
Great to see Alex Romero earn a roster spot. I think Alex could be a real good corner OF if ever given the chance to play. He was always highly thought of when he was with the Twins. The Twins lost him last year when they tried to remove him from the 40 man roster after they signed Rondell White. Alex has Delmon-like HR power (8-9 homers).
That is great news for Alex Romero… I always liked him. I know that the TWins didn’t like his attitude, and there were plenty who questioned his age, and he doesn’t have corner-outfielder power, but he can hit. Good for him!
ditto - well said sid and rebeldream.
Those repetatively posting fodder for argument and negativity should go create their own blogs and stay off the strib ones — it’s getting really old.
Stick to legitimate Twins baseball. Theoretically, that should be entertaining enough.
GOOD LUCK FRANKIE!!!!!!
Hey Nick Punto—I love watching you play—-What was your BA last year right handed batting—It wasn’t that bad was it? Lefty BA was the problem, wasn’t it??
I’m a little perplexed on the run scoring right now, but it’s way to soon to form an opinion on that.
Way to soon!!!!
GOOD LUCK!!! GO TWINS!!!
http://www.keloland.com/sports/sportsbroadcasts/NewsDetail9154.cfm?ID=0,67805
The Livan kick. go to the end of the episode for march 26th. it’s not that good of a shot but is still is awesome.
So GoGo has a little ow-ee behind his knee. Fifty years ago, Mickey Mantle played an entire season with degenerative osteomylitis in both knees, which had essentially robbed him of all his joint cartilage. In constant, excruciating pain, he hit .321 and 42 home runs and ran the bases and played center field like the All-Star that he was.
Sadly, jobs should be won or lost during spring training. I guess performance means nothing. Players like Span and Pridie hitting .300 or very near .300 were sent down. Ruis hitting .400 was sent down. The good ole boys clubs is alive and well on the Twins. Just like any other job, people performing the best should be rewarded and promoted; whereas, others should be demoted or fired. Romero for Arizona is a prime example.
The good ole boys clubs is alive and well on the Twins.
Except that every club does the same thing. I wish people would quit trying to act like the Twins have this vast conspiracy going.
Players who are the proven stars on the team, of course, are given some slack during spring trianing. That’s a no-brainer. But the problem lies when players who are nothing but the run-of-the-mill morons are also given slack over other more deserving players, that’s where the buck should stop.
I’m making 2.4 million $$$$$ this year more than most of you will make in your miserable lives. So I can take the bs on this blog and laugh all the way to the bank!!! And I only work 8 months a year!!
But the problem lies when players who are nothing but the run-of-the-mill morons are also given slack over other more deserving players, that’s where the buck should stop.
With the exception of Punto, who lost both his starting role and quite possibly his utility role (and in all liklihood his job) due to a poor Spring…who else?
Span and Pridie all made strong cases to get a starting job, but the Twins had to make a choice between three young talented CF options.
In the end, they needed a leadoff hitter…and they feel that Gomez can best fit that role for a long time.
But looking elsewhere around the club, players such as Tolbert, Bass, and Blackburn earned spots on the roster due to their Spring performances. This is over such “good ol’ boys” as Casilla, Buscher, and Perkins…who had significant play time last year.
So if you’re going to provide examples to the one, you have to at least acknowledge counter examples.
you guys see this offseason tourney of worst moves? the santana ripoff is the two seed - it’s in the elite 8. disgraceful.
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/03/28/the-elite-8-of-offseason-fleeces-race-for-the-golden-fleece/
Levon wears his war wound like a crown
He calls his child Jesus
`Cause he likes the name
And he sends him to the finest school in town
Levon, Levon likes his money
He makes a lot they say
Spend his days counting
In a garage by the motorway
He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas day
When the New York Times said God is dead
And the war’s begun
Alvin Tostig has a son today
And he shall be Levon
And he shall be a good man
And he shall be Levon
In tradition with the family plan
And he shall be Levon
And he shall be a good man
He shall be Levon
Levon sells cartoon balloons in town
His family business thrives
Jesus blows up balloons all day
Sits on the porch swing watching them fly
And Jesus, he wants to go to Venus
Leaving Levon far behind
Take a balloon and go sailing
While Levon, Levon slowly dies
ROFLMAO! Casilla, Buscher and Perkins were good ole boys! Gee by golly, I guess I just don’t have an answer for such insight. Yeah, you are right, Gardenhire definitely favored those 3 guys. Who would have thunk?
the santana ripoff is the two seed - it’s in the elite 8. disgraceful.
The problem with evaluating the trade now is that you’ve got a proven vs. 4 prospects.
It’s sorta like how everybody felt the Twins got fleeced by the Giants when they delt AJ. Then a year or so later when Liriano and Nathan were showing their stuff, Boof was up and coming, it started to lean back the other way.
It’s not like the Graza/Young trade, which we can evaluate almost immediately (Garza and Bartlett are both “established”, as is Young and Harris to a lesser extent)
But yeah, if Gomez falters in the next few years and none of Humber/Mulvey/Guerra (sp?) make it up to the big leagues then we can look back and say that it was a poor evaluation.
Yeah, you are right, Gardenhire definitely favored those 3 guys.
You know, if you actually produced some names to support your opinion…we may actually be able to get a dialog going. I know that posters such as yourself tend to hate actually contributing to discussion.
We’re on the verge of a breakthrough wedo. You’ve masted the thesis statement, now come back with some supporting arguments.
It should also be noted that while the Santana trade is the #2 seed, the contract the Mets agreed to also made the tourney as #15.
So right there you can get a feel for the “quality” of the poll. The Twins were fooled into a bad deal, but would’ve been equally foolish to cave to his demands?
Also, the Torii contract is a #4, and Silva is a #5. So the Twins dodged two more potential embarrasments right there.
So all in all, looks like the Twins came out on top.
I am sure I am still in the vast minority but I still like the players the Twins got from the Mets better than any of the other “rumored” offers on the table. I think in a couple years the trade will look just fine.
It’s sorta like how everybody felt the Twins got fleeced by the Giants when they delt AJ. Then a year or so later when Liriano and Nathan were showing their stuff, Boof was up and coming, it started to lean back the other way.
Boof is a fair pitcher at best. Liriano has had 1/2 a good year with much potential but could end up being hurt like a mark prior or Kerry Wood where all they do is heat up a spot on the bench. I would more so then anything call it the AJ for Nathan trade to be quite honest with you. The problem with Liriano is also the same problem with players like Prior you see an amazing talent that you just can’t seem to keep healthy
If Liriano goes north with the Twins for the start of the season and can’t pitch in Chicago on Monday April 7, Brian Bass could fill that spot.
Rotation could be:
Monday31 - Livan
Tuesday1 - Boof
Wednesday2- Liriano
Thursday3 - Slowey
Friday4 - Baker
Saturday5 - Livan
Sunday6 - Boof
Monday7 - Bass
Tuesday8 - OFF
Wednesday9 - Slowey
The other choice is Liriano stays in Florida for Opening Day and is temporarily replaced by Blackburn.
Rotation would be:
Monday31 - Livan
Tuesday1 - Boof
Wednesday2- Blackburn
Thursday3 - Slowey
Friday4 - Baker
Saturday5 - Livan
Sunday6 - Boof
Monday7 - Blackburn
Tuesday8 - OFF
Wednesday9 - Slowey
Gee, I really don’t know what else I can do. I already gave you plaudits for your insight. I can’t really post an award on this blog. Do I really want a dialog with you or anybody else on this blog? I don’t think so.
Sid,
If the Twins keep Liriano on the roster, they had better stretch out Bass’s innings NOW, or April 7th will be an all-hands-on-deck pitching day.
That is actually OK with an off day on Tuesday April 8.
I still feel that Boof on most teams would be a middle relief kind of role player because he is effective at first then wears out by the 4-5th inning thus depleting our MR’s every time he pitches. If we wanted to utilize his strengths it would be coming off the bench in MR situations ala Gurrier
“T” is Liriano going to be the Twins version of Mark Prior? The next Eric Gagne or is he going to just get a lot of Tommy John’s and come back stronger each time
because he is effective at first then wears out by the 4-5th inning
That was part of the reason the staff wanted him to try and get in better shape. I’ve seen the New Boof, but I haven’t seen a good comparison to get a feel for just how much he lost.
The hope is that being in shape will improve his stamina, which I agree was the big issue last year.
I’m happy for Romero. He’s the kind of guy the Twins haven’t seemed to like lately - a guy with some talent who didn’t have the “Twins’ attitude”, kind of like Garza and Bartlett didn’t have the “Twins attitude”. I’m not too broken up about Romero, but I do like Garza and Bartlett.
I don’t know what to think about Liriano. I get the feeling the organization wasn’t too honest with the fans about his progress and work in the offseason (shocking). If he’s this close to not being ready, I think he should start down in FL.
nm: deleted preachiness.
“T” is Liriano going to be the Twins version of Mark Prior?
The biggest problem with Prior was that the Cubs rushed him back when he was recovering (similiar to Kerry Wood).
Liriano is a critical piece of the rotation once he’s at 100%. The Twins realize this. And since they’re in a transition/rebuild phase this year and possibly part of 09, there’s no need to rush him back and risk further damage.
Provided they do that, he’ll be able to avoid having problems similar to Prior and Wood.
kind of like Garza and Bartlett didn’t have the “Twins attitude”.
Garza butted heads with the staff at times, but I never heard anything bad about Bartlett.
And I hope that people don’t think that was the reason those two were dealt for Young.
Yes that was the case with Boof last year, we’ll have to see how the weight loss effects his stamina this year. If he can’t consistently go 6+ this year than I agree with you that he should be moved to the bullpen as a MR/LR.
They sent Bartlett down one year because he wasn’t doing the “non play” things that Gardy wanted. He and Gardy did not exactly get along.
I absolutely believe that is partly why those two were dealt, and not, say, Slowey.
The Twins like guys who get in line, are either quiet or preach the company line - deferential, not cocky guys. Milque toast. Plain. I was shocked they dealt for Young.
Was it Romero or Garza that went after Gardy with a bat. Also I never got the impresion that Gardy hated Bartlett maybe I am just to into the game and not club house agreements
Hate is too strong a word, I would guess. I always got the impression that Gardy didn’t appreciate everything Bartlett did do, but could only comment on things he didn’t do. Maybe that is is “leadership” style, maybe it was more - we’ll never know since we weren’t there.
T
I had heard that Barlett didn’t make the club at the start of the ‘06 season because they thought he was too “quiet” and not enough of a leader. I never heard that they had any problems with him once he was called up. Garza was, of course, another story. Maybe some of the issues made it easier for the Twins to part with Garza, but D Young has a ton of potential and it sounds like the Twins really wanted Young.
Kyle Lohse went after Gardy’s office door with a bat.
I am not aware of anyone going after Gardy like that.
Didn’t Lohse also have some issues with his teammates?
I don’t feel that Bartlett was that great a player that we need to go into such detail regarding why he was dealt. I like Barts and I think he did a very good job, especially in 2006, but was he that special that people are still tearing their hair out?
I think that the Young for Garza trade was a hat toss because both have a ton of potential with terrible attitudes in and near the begining of there careers. I think the trade was great for both clubs. I am getting pretty interested in seeing that young pitching staff that TB is putting together down there.
IMO Garza and Bartlett went to the Rays because that is who the Rays wanted.
I don’t think any Garza, Bartlett or Delmon were “unloaded” in that trade.
The Twins wanted Delmon - the Rays wanted Garza and Bartlett and everyone else (Harris, Pridie and Morlan)just evened out the trade.
JP
No one is tearing their hair out. We are discussing the way the Twins (Grady) handle players. I was actually defending Smith. According to Smith, the Rays asked for Bartlett which would seem to suggest that he was not a problem.
Sane,
I agree with your sentiments regarding the Young/Garza trade. I would add that the Twins have been interested in Pridie for quite some time. He was a rule 5 pick by us at one time.
Sane
It’s possible they were more willing to trade Garza because of some of the concerns about coachability. I would still defend Smith in that case.
I think the Tampa Bay trade will turn out to be a better deal for the Rays then the Twins. Delmon Young will eventualy replace and i believe exceed Torri’s production but i doubt Harris will give us the same production that Bartlett will give the Rays and Garza has the potential to be an Ace for them.
Who’s tearing their hair out? I was trying to disucss something other than Punto, but if you want, I can go back to that….
I think both teams would be obfuscating if they denied their relationships with Young and Garz played a role in their being dealt. I’m not ripping the trade, just positing one opinion on why it happened. I do think that Bartlett is better than he was given credit for here. And, it amazes me how down people are on a guy that had an ERA around 3.6 in his first stint in the majors now that he’s been dealt.
BC
A lot depends on how the other young pitchers develop for the Twins. If the Twins end up needing Delmon Young more than they would have needed Garza/Bartlett then the trade works out for them no matter how well the former Twins do in Tampa.
and liriano had a 2.2 era his rookie year and we arnt talking about him?!?!?!?!?
BC
I agree with your assessment if we only look at pure talent. But I would also consider as a factor the needs of the teams at the time. I think the Twins needed to add an offensive player more than they needed another pitcher. So, even if Garza does turn out to be more dominant (at his position) than Young, I still don’t know if I would say that the Twins got the worse of it.
And to saam and mike,
Stop ripping your hair out over my “ripping your hair out” comment. My comment was tainted by previous remarks here, not yours. I appologize for that.
mike
I agree that the teams’ relationships with Garza/Young effected their willingness to trade them. I’m not down on Garza. If he has a chance to succeed somewhere else, I’m happy for him.
BC,
It sounded like you included Torii when evaluating the trade.
It’s Garza vs Delmon.
It’s Bartlett vs. Harris
It’s Morlan vs. Pridie
I think the Twins win Garza vs Delmon and Morlan vs. Pridie.
I think the Rays win Bartlett vs Harris.
IMO Twins win 2-1.
If Delmon becomes a superstar,…….
Can anyone guesstamate the Twins starting rotation if Boof ends up as a MR set up man and Liriano doesn’t quite get back to his original form
livan,
IMO
Livan
Baker
Slowey
Blackburn
Humber
livan
If Liriano doesn’t QUITE get back to his original form, he is still in the rotation (maybe #1)
what up, still mad I couldn’t find video (or pic) of Chad Allen’s injury I was talking about the other day…
Anybody watch the show ‘Unique Whips’? Livan Hernandez was on the one I watched a couple days ago, got his Ferrari something or other pimped out. When he showed up to pick it up, he went out to take it on a test drive, he looked funny as hell trying to get his big body out of that little ferrari cockpit when he got back, surprised he could fit.
I absolutely believe that is partly why those two were dealt, and not, say, Slowey.
That is absolutely riddiculous.
The Twins wanted Delmon Young. The Rays wanted Matt Garza. They did not want Slowey, or Boof, or any other random player you may not personally like.
They however, did not want to trade straight up, and had liked Bartlett for a while. Since the Twins were dealing away they’re starting shortstop they wanted to get back a player that could potentially take over a starting role in the infield (either SS or 2B depending on Casilla, Tolbert, etc)
That was how Harris got added to the deal.
I’m guessing the Twins also saw a chance to get Jason Pridie back. They had always liked him, and with Monroe likely being a DH more than anything, Span struggling in AAA, and Gomez not a Twin yet….they asked to have him included.
This lead to the Twins needing to add Rincon. When news of arm/elbow issues arose, it was changed to Morlan. (Kinda sad if you’re Rincon)
That is why Garza and Bartlett were dealt. You have to give up something of value to get something of value in return.
in 2010 we wil have a sick lineup.. (this is if we do nothing till 2010)
liriano (ace already pitching 2.2 era like in his rookie year)
guerra (ace potential)
robertson (ace potential)
blackburn (#2 potential for sure.. could be a great player)
baker/slowey/boof (whichever is better.. probably baker considering i think he will be a great number 2 guy.. really depends how slowey develops..)
lineup:
gomez
mauer
cuddy (young to back up morneau)
morneau
young
kubel (i really think he could hit 25 homers and a 300 batting adverage.. just needs to stop worrying about his legs..)
harris (have very high hopes for him..)
valencia (no one talks about him.. i think he will be MUCH better then buscher…)
tolbert/casilla ss (whichever one shows they are better… both are switch hitters)
fantasy lineup:
sabathia (who knows.. since we are low on our payroll maybe we make a run for him..)
liriano
guerra
robertson
baker
lineup:
gomez
mauer
vladamir (free agency) (its possible if we really wanna spend money…)
morneau
young
kubel
robinson cano (traded blackburn and cuddy and lamb) (blackburn could be a great player.. he shows # 2 pitcher atm.. but blackburn could be a number 1 )(there is their 1st baseman that they have wanted… 300 hitter and has proved to hit 20+ homers)(and cuddy is cuddy..)
(remember im guessing what his numbers are in the next 2 years…)(
tolbert/casilla ss
valencia (he has talent)
payroll: 110 million
lion i like your lineup nothing wrong with dreaming but we all know that Vlad will not be coming to the sota.
“robinson cano (traded blackburn and cuddy and lamb)”
No Yankee FO staff, field staff or fan would make that trade.
I am a Twins fan, but i would be embarassed to offer that little fir Cano. Cano will be a major star. Cuddyer,(OK, MLB) Lamb (never a regular) and Blackburn (headed for AAA if Liriano is ready) is far short of a realistic trade package fo a star.
““robinson cano (traded blackburn and cuddy and lamb)”
No Yankee FO staff, field staff or fan would make that trade.
I am a Twins fan, but i would be embarassed to offer that little fir Cano. Cano will be a major star. Cuddyer,(OK, MLB) Lamb (never a regular) and Blackburn (headed for AAA if Liriano is ready) is far short of a realistic trade package fo a star.”
thats what we got for santana…….
accually.. this is more..
BC of ND,
probably right..
i think the first option is more realistic.. but i like to dream too 
though.. those ideas are possible.. sabathia may want to beat up on indians..
liondragon the core of our lineup for at least the next 5 years will probably be Gomez, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddy and Young
We don’t know if the Rays wanted Garza specifically. They might say they did, but we don’t know that one way or the other.
Again, I’m not ripping the trade. You need to give up value to get value. Agreed 100%. I’m stating that I believe that one of the reasons the Twins were willing to deal Garza (and not Slowey as an example) is the attitude issues they had with Garza.
I’m not suggesting at all that I know if the Rays wanted Garza and NOT Slowey, again, we’ll never know that.
My biggest disappointment with the Santana deal was that they had just traded Garza, the only one close to having ace-type stuff in the Twins’ system, and they didn’t get an ace-type in return (Guerra may be that guy, but most scouts did not have him thus rated).
Young will have to be very good to make this trade work. The Twins have no hitting at SS now, and don’t seem to like Casilla’s attitude/approach all that much (rightly or wrongly). Garza has a chance to be a #1 or #2 starter. Harris has a chance to be good hitting 2B. Young has a chance to be special, or to strike out too much. Both sides pretty much traded for potential (other than Bartlett - I think his value is established if not appreciated). Pridie/Morlan is not all that interesting to me. Pridie is, at best, a 4th OF in this organization.
mike,
“Garza, the only one close to having ace-type stuff in the Twins’ system”
Don’t you think the Rays had that opinion?
Slowey has never been the PROSPECT that Garza has. If the Rays traded for potential, IMO Slowey would have been unacceptable in a deal for Delmon Young.
I didn’t hate the Garza/Young trade, but I really wish we didn’t add Morlan. I think he has the chance to be a stud out of the pen.
What do you hink the Nat’s would want for Dmitri Young in a trade. We might be able to acquire him for a DH spot
livan,
Do we need more DH’s.
Randy Ruiz is even cheaper.
I’m stating that I believe that one of the reasons the Twins were willing to deal Garza (and not Slowey as an example) is the attitude issues they had with Garza.
And I’m telling you that belief is totally wrong and completely unfounded. The. Rays. Wanted. Garza.
To think that the Garza/Young trade had anything to do with his attitude is flat out riddiculous paranoia.
I’m not suggesting at all that I know if the Rays wanted Garza and NOT Slowey, again, we’ll never know that.
We will and we do. The Twins asked about Young, they were told it would take Garza. There was no squabbling back and forth about Garza or Slowey. It was Garza or they wouldn’t budge.
Young will have to be very good to make this trade work.
He’ll have to do what he’s projected to do. He doesn’t have to become a phenominal Alex Rodriquez type legendary hitter. He just needs to be a solid #3 hitter.
I don’t agree with that last part. If he’s solid, and Garza is a number 1 or 2 pitcher, I’d rather have Garza and Bartlett. Solid is not enough in return for a solid SS and very good to great pitcher.
Okay, it’s semantics now. And honestly I’m finished with this discussion.
The deal was Garza/Young or it wasn’t going to happen. End of story.
mike,
Agreed.
Just solid is NOT good enough.
Solid #3 hitter on a team with Mauer, Morneau, and Cuddyer, however, is a level above just solid.
And we are still comparing projections.
Garza’s future performance is also TBD.
the only thing i didnt like about the young deal is we had to part ways with morlan..
Hey did you guys see on http://www.mlbtraderumors.com that the Twins have interest in Ryan Freel?
Maybe they could pick up Grant Balfour on waivers too.
I think this would be an alright deal if we could get him for Span, which is not likly because the Reds have Jay Bruce, Alejandro Machado and a pitcher like Kyle Waldrop.
