Meet farmer Mike Noreen
Juli Montgomery and Mike Noreen of Burning River Farm, on a busy Saturday morning earlier this summer at the Mill City Farmers Market.
The other night I caught up with Burning River Farm’s Mike Noreen for a few minutes over the telephone. For Farm Report newcomers, Mike is the farmer who supplies my CSA share. He also sells every Saturday morning at the Mill City Farmers Market.
This is Burning River Farm’s third year. In 2006 Mike sold the farm’s output at the Mill City Farmers Market. In 2007 he added a CSA component. Last fall he moved his operation from Osceola, Wis. in the St. Croix River valley, where he was renting land at Foxtail Farm, and bought a farm in Frederic, Wis., which is about 30 miles northeast of Osceola. The farm follows sustainable, organic practices but is not certified organic; the farm carries the Certified Naturally Grown label. Here’s our conversation.
Q: How did you get started in farming?
A: I guess the short answer is that it was a progression of different things. I traveled around and volunteered on different farms. I ended up working for Paul and Chris [Burkhouse] at Foxtail for a year. Then I didn’t farm for a year and a half. I decided I’d try to give the city once last chance, and I worked in a cafe. Eventually I decided to do work that I really wanted to be doing, so I went back to Paul and Chris with a more serious intent, to try and find a way of living that seemed to fit. I worked at Foxtail for three years. The last year that I was there I started Burning River. We worked out an agreement where I worked for them for three days out of the week, then used the rest of the time to work on my own thing. As a part of their mission statement they work to get other people farming. Since I was there, other people have had a similar agreement with Paul and Chris, and that is really cool to see.
Q: What does it mean to be a volunteer?
A: It’s different for different farms. There was a place in Arizona that I stayed at, a permaculture place in the desert, where they provided food, and a tent, and I worked for them. It was a lax environment because you weren’t getting paid. I volunteered at a blueberry farm in Gainesville, Florida, where I stayed in a tent by a lake and got my feet wet, working four hours a day. You don’t get paid, but you get experience. It’s an inexpensive way to travel, you have a place to stay when you can’t afford a hotel. You’re working outside, it’s a good experience. With people here, it feels really good on all sides. They’re happy to do the work, and I’m happy to have the help. I just try to make sure that they’re well-fed. I don’t have a program; people just approach me and I say, ‘Yeah, that sounds great.’
Q: How different is the CSA model versus the farmers-market model, from the farmer’s perspective?
A: I started out with the market, and I feel like that’s the best way to start out. With the CSA, it’s expected that you’ll have things every week. It’s already been paid for, so the pressure is on. At the farmers market that first year it was great, I could just bring what I had. Of course you want a good presentation, but if you didn’t have something for a week, it wasn’t a big deal, it’s not like someone had put their money down. Sometimes I feel like I should have done just the farmers market for a longer period of time, but the CSA has other advantages. It comes down to a question of where am I putting my energy? Am I putting it into the farm, making it a good place for people to work, making it a good place for people to get their food from? Or do I put all my energy into marketing, trying to sell every week? Some people love that work, they love the sales side of it, but I’m not very good at it. [Laughs]. As far as wholesale goes, I’ve never done a lot of it. I’m not the greatest at getting on the horn and tracking people down, and all that footwork; I’d have to get someone to do that for me. I’d rather be out on the tactor, doing actual farm work, that’s why the CSA is nice.
Q: You bought your current farm last fall. How is your first growing season working out?
A: It’s been rather overwhelming. There are more things that need to happen that I haven’t made the time for. Next year I should be able to do more. This year I did more than last year. That’s the evolution. I won’t lie, it’s been a pretty overwhelming experience. [Owning] is a different world. I’ve always rented, or traveled. It wasn’t until I came back to Paul and Chris and said that I needed to be farming that I really decided to stick it out in the Midwest and put down some roots. It’s nice to put your energy into something. I’ve talked to farmers who have quote-unquote made it, and they say that you have to jump and take big risks, you have to invest. That’s a huge part of it, getting a farm that’s up and running and functioning and has systems, and that’s difficult to do. Especially this kind of farming, because you go to an agricultural lender and you can’t tell them how many bushels of soybeans or corn you harvested last year.
Q: How many people are working on the farm?
A: Three full-time this summer, and if anyone out there is thinking of starting a farm, that’s not enough. [laughs].
Q: Is labor the biggest issue at the farm?
A: It is, on two counts. First, I don’t have the money to hire any more people than that, and I don’t have the space to house a lot of people here. And there aren’t a lot of people who are willing to do this work day in and day out. It’s hard to find people who are willing and excited to do the work, I don’t have a bunch of people banging down the door. I’ve been pretty blessed with who has been here this year. We spend so much time around each other, and working out in the field. I can’t hire the number of people that it really takes, or pay them what they’re worth. We’ve gotten by with a lot of great help outside the farm, people wanting to help out, putting in a day here and a day there. That’s made all the difference in the world.
Q: How have gas prices effected the farm? How far away is Frederic from Minneapolis?
A: It’s about 70 miles. Every time I drive the route it’s probably costing $75 in gas, plus the trips to the market. I’m sure I’m spending $500 a month on gas, which is a little insane. I certainly didn’t plan on that. [laughs]. It’s bringing the cost of everything else up. I was joking with another farmer earlier in the year, saying that our CSA customers are getting their food at 2007 prices. Now I’m looking at winter and thinking, oh dang, I’ve got to heat this house. [Rising gas prices] does affect things, but on the flip side I also feel that I’ve been doing things more efficiently this year than last year. I’m doing 160 [CSA] members instead of 57, but the delivery route has stayed nearly the same, so I’m delivering about three times as much food with the same amount of gas.
Q: What kind of feedback are you getting from your CSA members?
A: It’s been really excellent, which feels good because I freak out so much, because of course you want people to come back year after year, you want people to really enjoy their food. There’s nothing worse than people not eating what they’re getting. So far everyone this year has been really happy, and you can’t ask for anything more than that. That definitely helps me, knowing that people appreciate it, that makes it a little easier to keep at it. There’s a reason that no one does this [laughs]. But I like the work.
























