Howell dismissed
Posted on May 27th, 2008 – 4:08 PMBy Chip Scoggins
Just got an email from the U stating that sophomore return man Harold Howell has been dismissed from the team for “violations of academic and team guidelines.”
Gophers coach Tim Brewster hyped Howell on signing day in 2007 but Howell struggled as a returner as a true freshman and had a critical fumble in the Wisconsin game.
Howell’s academic and attitude problems have been talked about quietly around the program for some time. Can’t say I’m too surprised by this development.
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When will it end? This makes the third player that coach Brewster signed after taking the job. We heard all about C. Thomas and what an impact player he was going to be. We saw T. Herdon start last year and do a respectable job. And now we have HH flunking out of the U and being thrown off the team. 3 of 7 that coach Brewster singed have now gone the way of the Buffalo. This is beginning to look like the same old, same old from years past. I hope we don’t end up with another Gutty coaching tenure.
What continues to be not said is that the recruiting pattern is getting very clear. We are going to be taking any chances on any kid who has “speed, speed and more speed”. We have clearly now joined Iowa and Wisconsin in taking any risks necessary in order to get more speed.
These football coaches know that this is not a big threat to them. They see their job as winning “no matter what”.
It is past time the whole sport is changed in some fundamental way that puts real teeth against this sort of recruiting. A real minimum ACT score of 26 might be a good place to start. At least a kid with that type of score would have the brains to potentially understand what he is being offered and where his life will go if he blows his chance.
Cool Papa Howell dismissed??????????!! Say it ain’t so!! Say it ain’t so!! This one one of punky’s hand picked, diamond in the rough, hidden gem, underrated super stars who was to change the way the college game is played with his dynamic kick & punt returns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Loon says:
May 27th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
What continues to be not said is that the recruiting pattern is getting very clear.
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I have said all along punky’s modus operandi is to recruit idiots?!?! Someone should tell him he is not at TX or NC, he is at MN, and in the Big 10 and his players have to go to class and pass!! Right, Clem??!
Gee Loon I thought your claim was that the players were not required to attend class. Make up your mind.
Not me poky. I expect the students to go to class. I also said there is probably a negative relationship between “speed, speed and more speed” and “smart, smart and more smarts”.
“If you are going to run the spread you must have lots of speed on O. That just means even more players will have problems.”
I don’t want to be Kenick North. If the kid does not want to go to school, let him play in the SEC.
You may expect them to attend class but your previous comment was, “If you re read the interview Chip did with the former players last season, you will clearly see that several suggest that we pay players right out in the open. And, that we stop even expecting them to go to class.”
Check out your last sentence. So, a kid gets dropped for not going to class, contrary to your assertions. Why am I not surprised?
You have kids with great reputations of being leaders (DJ Jones) and you still get problems once in a while. If a kid doesn’t go to class, cuts corners and is a bad apple and acts in a way that does not represent the U then you part ways. Brew did scramble to find last minute players in his first class after 3 weeks on the job and lets hope we do a better job at character in the future but not matter what, kids will let you down from time to time. Mase signed a great kid in Dom Jones yet it still didn’t turn out well in the end due to bad choices. It wasn’t Masons fault that Jones the boys made poor choices that carry consequences. If you have 120 kids and 95% are solid guys, you still have a handfull with issues every year. You will also have those that don’t like the depth chart, being away from home or any one of a number of other excuses.
What’s going on over at the Bierman Complex? This is getting pretty serious. Who is in charge over there? Who is doing the recruiting?
How many games can this coaching staff win…ever?
Come on maturi: let hear a statement about how this will impact our graduation rates.
One thing that needs to be mentioned with Howell is that if he is academically ineligible (and it sounds like that’s the case) he will be a dreaded 0-for-2 in the next APR. That’s not good. Schools can live with transfers who leave in good academic standing because they are 1-for-2 in the APR. Athletes who leave academic ineligible are very costly in the APR.
Thank you Chip. This is, indeed very serious for the future of this program, it’s academic reputation and all that implies.
When will the University have the courage to recruit student athletes who can succeed in the class room? Is this not the directive issued by the athletic director to his coaches?
JOKE I
Gophers football coach Tim Brewster was effusive in his praise of return specialist Harold Howell on national signing day last year.
JOKE II
Brewster promised big things from the speedy Florida product, calling Howell “one of the most electrifying high school football players I have ever seen.”
JOKE III
Brewster dismissed Howell from the program Tuesday after one rocky season.
JOKE IV
A person who answered Howell’s home phone hung up without comment.
JOKE V
Howell didn’t come close to living up to Brewster’s hype as a true freshman. He had fumble problems — including a critical one late in the Wisconsin game — and showed no signs of being able to break tackles.
JOKE VI
He also missed the Northwestern game while dealing with a family issue in Florida. [WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA]
JOKE VII
Howell admitted last fall that his grades in high school caused most recruiters to pass. Howell had no other scholarship offers and committed to the Gophers a few days before signing day.
One can hardly wait for the legion to arrive…….
Let’s go through this again:
-Brewster gave someone an opportunity to make something of themselves. In Howell he saw a person that had a tough childhood who had the potential to be explosive in the special teams area and also a person that could take advantage of a good opportunity for an education.
–Unfortunately, Howell took that opportunity for granted.
The U of M has standards and Coach Brewster enforced those standards. No cover up whatsoever. It goes to show that my alma matter still holds to high academic standards and their employees make sure that those high standards are kept.
The only downside is we are 0-2 on the APR.
Rescooter says:
May 28th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Let’s go through this again:
-Brewster gave someone an opportunity to make something of themselves. In Howell he saw a person that had a tough childhood who had the potential to be explosive in the special teams area and also a person that could take advantage of a good opportunity for an education.
–Unfortunately, Howell took that opportunity for granted.
The U of M has standards and Coach Brewster enforced those standards. No cover up whatsoever. It goes to show that my alma matter still holds to high academic standards and their employees make sure that those high standards are kept.
The only downside is we are 0-2 on the APR.
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You are voting for Osama bin Obama, aren’t you?
HTF did he get into the U. to begin with? There needs to be an investigation into that as it is obvious he did not qualify!!!!
This news represents a personal failure on the part of a football player/ student and should not be expanded beyond that. Coach Brewster gave this young man the opportunity to play football at the big 10 level and Harold Howell chose not to make the most of that opportunity. Coach Brewster enforced the standards and that is the end of the story.
I don’t see this new items as calling for a change in recruiting philosophy. Speed is not incompatible with citizenship.
Very true Marathon Man; on top of all this, no laws were broken. In other words, the high reputation of the University of Minnesota and their athletic program is still intact.
I’m sure the Michigans and Floridas are bringing in geniuses to come play football for them. It would be interesting to see if Tim Tebow has ever studied a night in his life. Same with a Braylon Edwards or a Charles Woodson. They scream intelligence.
Your an idiot if you don’t think kids are fit for college just because they can play football. There are tons of kids that enroll every year that flunk out after two years.
Rescooter says:
May 28th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Very true Marathon Man; on top of all this, no laws were broken. In other words, the high reputation of the University of Minnesota and their athletic program is still intact.
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Really? They just has an idiot flunk out…..great for the old rep, don’t you think?
When are you fools going to stop making excuses for, and enabling punky to make this university a national laughingstock?
“…if you think kids are fit for college…”
Where were all of you yelling and screaming for it to end when Gary Russell flunked out of school? I didn’t hear you then.
GoGophers says:
May 28th, 2008 at 7:05 am
I’m sure the Michigans and Floridas are bringing in geniuses to come play football for them. It would be interesting to see if Tim Tebow has ever studied a night in his life. Same with a Braylon Edwards or a Charles Woodson. They scream intelligence.
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At least they win with their idiots!!
Lets not let the kids off the hook, they are the ones that need to embrace the opportunity given. Everyone wants to pin every success and failure on the coach. Shady Solomon had a tough go but has thus far made great decisions and embraced his opportunities.
Did Brew take a chance on Mr. Howell? Based on what I have heard, he had a pretty bad attitude from day one so it probably was a mistake. Should Brew take a little heat over it? Sure, maybe a little but attrition and bad grades is nothing new here.
Some of you say brewster can recruit. That remains to be seen. However, for every scholarship that is lost, brewster is looking weaker and weaker, even by some of your standards. Based upon what the 2007 season showed…the brewster staff can not coach it’s way out of a wet paper sack.
Ever since maturi became the athletic director, the fortuns of the football program have headed south. The 2007 season was among the worst ever in the history of Universtiy of Minnesota football.
maturi is running this football program into the ground. Something needs to take maturi out of the equation before he has the U at the rock bottom of not only Big Ten football, but also Division I football.
Wren,
I forgot how many Big Ten games did we win last year and how many Big Ten wins do we need in the coming years?
marathonman—right on the money with the 656 post.
Does this free up Howell’s scholarship for another player??
Nope tex: that scholarship is wasted and not useable until the class that Howell came in with graduates. brewster is working with one less scholarship now. It is a grim reminder of what happens when student athletes don’t have the student part down pat.
brewster gambled and lost again.
thewrenagain says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Nope tex: that scholarship is wasted and not useable until the class that Howell came in with graduates. brewster is working with one less scholarship now. It is a grim reminder of what happens when student athletes don’t have the student part down pat.
brewster gambled and lost again.
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Whats scarey is that HH is just the first in what will be a looooong line of academic land mines!
Ever notice how when punky steps in it, the Off brothers; Beat and Jack errrr Dimbo and DAC, disappear?
Actually, Crudeboy/Pantherhogbreath, I’m incredibly busy at work today. Perhaps you shoud try finding a job.
Ever notice when misfortune hits a young man who wanted to play for the Gophers all the bottom feeders and scavengers like Bud, Loon, Wrenbawls, and Michelle come out to play with each other?
It looks like brewster is going to have to do more with less here. He is digging himself a very deep hole.
maturi is leading this football program into the ground. Get rid of him before he allows even more damage to occur to the program.
maturi: do the right thing…end it. Resign. Retire. Step aside and let someone who can handle a football program take charge here NOW!
prexy b: maturi is taking this football program to the bottom. Look at the progression of football wins since he took charge. Face it prexy b: maturi is not the man for the job.
Wrenbawlbaby … What are you saying, whiney? That the Gophers are the only Division 1 team in the country that ever had a player drop out?
Are you that incredibly stupid?
–maturi: do the right thing…end it. Resign. Retire. Step aside and let someone who can handle a football program take charge here NOW!
prexy b: maturi is taking this football program to the bottom. Look at the progression of football wins since he took charge. Face it prexy b: maturi is not the man for the job.–
Let’s say he isn’t the man for the job, who is then? My guess is that you’ll come up with no answer, just like when pressed on what available & qualified coach to replace Mason.
Wren, I don’t believe that President Bruininks reads this blog, and if he does, I’m sure he ignores your drivel.
He ignores everything posted by The Drunk and Stupid tag team and their hog buddy Michelle.
This adds yet another myth to the very long lists of promised improvements that would be made once Mason was bought out for many millions of dollars;
“The new coach will have better retention rates than Mason.”
I think that gets us up to about 1-16 for the big promises that have been blown out of the water.
Just ask and I will list them all.
Fans with more than one half of one brain told you this not only could happen but was quite likely to happen. You guys have made a total mess of our program. Now you are down to blaming others for the recruiting mistakes of Brewster.
By the way Brewster fans, have you noticed that Chip is starting to notice the realities of Coach Brewster? Going to get real ugly, real fast come this fall without a lot of wins and better behavior from the Brewster recruits.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
Abe Lincoln
The Loon says:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
By the way Brewster fans, have you noticed that Chip is starting to notice the realities of Coach Brewster? Going to get real ugly, real fast come this fall without a lot of wins and better behavior from the Brewster recruits.
“You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.”
Abe Lincoln
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You can ALWAYS fool DAC-off & Dimbo! These two stooges are still packing for Pasedena!!!!!!!!!
Marathon Man, you are incorrect regarding this:
“Speed is not incompatible with citizenship”
All statistics from all government sources and non government sources show clear statistical evidence to the contrary. PC dreams, sadly, do not trump realitiy. Very sadly. Way too often “speed, speed and more speed” does equal poor behavior. Very sad. But, reality does suck.
Loon, statistics can be bent to prove anything you would like. Any “Fan with more than one half of one brain” knows that you racist pig.
It is reality at all college football programs. any school from Mankato to Duluth to moorhead, loses alot of kids from fr. to 5th yr. Sr. I would guess of 30 scholarship freshman coming in you would be lucky to end up with much more than half still on the team after 5 yrs. Same goes for incoming fr. in the regular U pgms. This will hurt our APR, but will not hurt future recruiting or reputation. You give a kid a chance, some take advantage some don’t thats life.
Just got off the phone with Admissions. Sounds like they were really pressured to “let” Howell in. This could go bad real fast. Chip should do a follow-up on this!
littlebigboy says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
It is reality at all college football programs. any school from Mankato to Duluth to moorhead, loses alot of kids from fr. to 5th yr. Sr. I would guess of 30 scholarship freshman coming in you would be lucky to end up with much more than half still on the team after 5 yrs. Same goes for incoming fr. in the regular U pgms. This will hurt our APR, but will not hurt future recruiting or reputation. You give a kid a chance, some take advantage some don’t thats life.
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Gee, I thought this only happened to Mason????????
Recruiting says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Just got off the phone with Admissions. Sounds like they were really pressured to “let” Howell in. This could go bad real fast. Chip should do a follow-up on this
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Sure ya were cruting. I’m sure you had them on speed dial. Oh by the way did you see this today??
http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/HAWKS0104/80527004/1053/RSS02
I think the gopher program is doing just fine compared to your special boys down south….
Yes, gopherguy05, that is what has happened to our sport. We are all going from “some problems, some of the time” to this new standard of “there is no way to win without accepting a lot of trouble”. If that is the case, then it is time to change the rules.
Every coach we have had in my lifetime has had to take ever more chances in order to match up with the ever increasing demand for speed at any risk.
At a higher ACT required score, we would only be able to recruit players with a statistically better chance to do well at the U. The present standards may suit the needs of LSU, etc., they are not helping meet the needs of a place like the U. The more often you try to pound a square peg into a round hole, the morre often you will shout out “Ooops!” Every day brings out more cries of “ooops” from around the country.
TX, the Gophers can not use the HH scholarship this year because we have already oversigned by three. HH scholarship will go back into the pool for the 2009 recruiting class. The answer provided above is not correct. Chip only mentions the ARP because down the road when they count this class we could lose scholarships because of to much attrition. I think the records go back 5 years from the current data released this year. Losing one player to grades will not put our lights out. But even when a player leaves our program in good academic standing it counts -1 against the University.
Bud;
I don’t know if someone in the know is using your alias or if you’ve turned over a new leaf. Whatever it is, your posts as of late have been refreshing and much appreciated.
Most of these guys will see this as a net gain. Their real joy comes from recruiting rankings. This gives their hero another bullet to use in the next round of their all important recruiting wars. Hell, we could win those wars almost every year if we keep having recruits like this.
This only hurts if we are trying to win actual football games, graduate actual young men, etc.
gopherguy05 says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Recruiting says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Just got off the phone with Admissions. Sounds like they were really pressured to “let” Howell in. This could go bad real fast. Chip should do a follow-up on this
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Sure ya were cruting. I’m sure you had them on speed dial. Oh by the way did you see this today??
http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080527/HAWKS0104/80527004/1053/RSS02
I think the gopher program is doing just fine compared to your special boys down south….
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What does this have to do with anything?? I would keep this quiet if I were you…it will look bad when the Iownians put these guys in prison after punky’s darling little rapist got off with a slap on the pinky!!!!!!
GMY&DAC, I did not say that this is a new problem with our football program. I said same old, same old. This has been going on for way to long under the past two coaching staffs. It is going to catch up with us soon. Just ask WSU and San Jose ST. The U can track the numbers and should know when we will be losing scholarships, but do you think that they are going to release those numbers? No way in hell will they let the public know just how bad it is going to be in the coming years. This is why you are seeing more and more of the BCS schools passing on a good player that does not have the grades. You take to many of them and 5 years down the road you do not have the player in your program anymore and he cost you a future player because the NCAA takes away a scholarship.
–What does this have to do with anything?? Recruiting–
Like 99.5% percent of your posts.
RE, it is the same old Bud posting. I knew when I pulled up Chips blog and I saw that I would be the first post that individuals such as DAC would be all over me. So be it, I have said all along that the players leaving the program would end up hurting our football program and this is just another example of what I have been saying. Pointing to G. Russell and others under the past coaching staff does not solve the problem that our football program will be facing in the future. The Administration knows the numbers and they had better wake-up fast or coach Brewster or whoever after him will be saddled with reduced scholarships.
The system does not allow modern coaches to worry about “down the line”. They recruit for now so they do not lose their jobs next year. The U came to realise all this some years ago when they knew we needed long term stability.
Now we are back to the “3 to 5″ year coaches. We blinked.
Michelle says,
“Just got off the phone with Admissions.”
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! BAAAAHAAAAAWWWAAAAAA!!!! Hog face called “Admissions”. Hilarious.
The racist pig says,
““The new coach will have better retention rates than Mason.”
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Wake up, bonehead racist. Mason lost dozens of players.
–Now we are back to the “3 to 5″ year coaches. We blinked.–
Yeah, we were really going places with the previous coaching staff. While Brewster may not be the answer, it was a waste of time to continue to pay a coach the big bucks while delivering below average results during the majority of his 10 years. He did recruit the heck outta the all important North Dakota though.
It is entertaining to see members of an inferior species (i.e. Wren, Looney Toons, Crudeboy/Pantherhogbreath) trying to insult those of us with superior intellect.
Hilarious. All this amusement, and free, too.
thewrenagain says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Nope tex: that scholarship is wasted and not useable until the class that Howell came in with graduates. brewster is working with one less scholarship now. It is a grim reminder of what happens when student athletes don’t have the student part down pat.
brewster gambled and lost again.
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Bud says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
TX, the Gophers can not use the HH scholarship this year because we have already oversigned by three. HH scholarship will go back into the pool for the 2009 recruiting class. The answer provided above is not correct. Chip only mentions the ARP because down the road when they count this class we could lose scholarships because of to much attrition. I think the records go back 5 years from the current data released this year. Losing one player to grades will not put our lights out. But even when a player leaves our program in good academic standing it counts -1 against the University.
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Bud actually tries to base his postings on fact.
Like I said yesterday, Wren, it’s not surprising that you’re reviled by most of society.
Recruiting says:
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Just got off the phone with Admissions. Sounds like they were really pressured to “let” Howell in. This could go bad real fast. Chip should do a follow-up on this
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This is possibly the most outrageous thing ever posted here. The only time Crudeboy/Pantherhogbreath uses the phone is to make obscene phone calls to various members of the animal kingdom.
Wrenbawlbaby Whiney is a habitual liar.
I just got off the phone with the Secretary of the Interior who said it will be announced soon that Iowa is to be permanently quarantined.
The dual stench coming from the statewide hog farm and the Iowa Hogeye gang of criminals cannot be contained.
I just got off the phone with Condi. She said a deal has been made with Mexico to trade Iowa for three quarts of Tequila. The Mexicans will use Iowa as a permanent dumping ground for their criminals like CrudingPantherHog.
I just got off the phone with Ferentz. He said he is planning to start eight prison guards, seven sows, and a corpse along with the five remaining eligible players he has available.
mnmike, if it was waste of time to pay the previous coach, why extend his contract at a cost of millions of dollars? And if it was a waste to pay a coach without the new stadium to win 3 to 5 Big Ten games a year, how much more of a waste is it to pay a coach any money at all to win no BT games per year?
Have you noticed yet that your guy not only got off to a brutal start, but has sustained that effort now for 17 months? Now his “really, really great” recruits are dropping away.
My team, your coach and Maturi’s program could really use a good start this year.
Loonatic … You are a liar. The really great recruits are just arriving. Howell was picked up in a couple of weeks to fill a spot.
Nobody said he was a really great recruit. Brewster said he was fast. The kid won the Florida 100 and 200 meter dashes. Why not try him as a return man?
He averaged more than 23 yards on kick returns. Not bad for an 18-year-old.
Wake up, moron.
We’ll see how the recruits pan out. I was excited to see/hear what this Howell kid could do. Too bad he didn’t stay and get his education. A degree with the University of Minnesota attached to it can get you places. Maybe he didn’t have the capability to get a college education?
That is what I said dac, Brewster fans are now saying he is not responsible even for the kids he recruits himself. But, what else could you say, you being you.
brewster’s apr is falling so fast that it is out of control. There have been some other academic failures during the past few years. It’s going to kick this program in the tail so hard…
maturi had better start addressing this situation with the public to let the public know what brewster’s plan is to insure that this gets shored up. maturi: you are facing a lot more failure with your football coach unless you put the fear of God into him about his recruiting. He needs scholars and student athletes. He needs kids who can succeed in the class room first.
This ship is listing just a bit maturi…
VIRGINIA QUITS FOOTBALL. PRESIDENT, AD, COACH, AND GOVERNOR ALL RESIGN
“Defensive end Jeffrey Fitzgerald, a two-year starter at Virginia, is transferring to Kansas State. He will sit out the 2008 season and be eligible in 2009. Fitzgerald, who had 73 tackles and seven sacks last season, apparently is leaving Virginia for “personal reasons.”
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Local Virginia nutberger versions of Loonatic and Wrenbawlbaby say the end is near.
“Maybe he didn’t have the capability to get a college education?”
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You do realize, don’t you, that more than half the kids who ever enroll at the University of Minnesota drop out or flunk out without a degree?
Gopher athletes have a higher graduation rate than the general student population.
brewster is coming off a 1-11 season in 2007. Can anyone believe that he was 0-8 in Big Ten play? Now THAT is very close to the end.
Loonatic … Brewster is responsible for the kids he recruits. He has lost Howell to academics. Mason lost dozens.
The end came with Mason’s last choke and Mason’s failure to recruit quality football players the last three years. That was the end … rock bottom.
d_a_c brings us the good news: “…You do realize, don’t you, that more than half the kids who ever enroll at the University of Minnesota drop out or flunk out without a degree?…”
What does this say about the undergraduate programs at the University of Minnesota? Why should we tax payers even keep the undergraduate programs at the U of M open if they don’t do a better job of selecting students? What a waste of our tax dollars.
jimbo, I’ll bet that really makes you and your sons proud!
prexy b needs to either shut it down and start all over…or…maybe it would help if he would crack down on under-aged drinking on campus.
either start producing students or shut the undergraduate programs down prexy b.
Wake up, nutberger. The same is true of every public university in America. Half the kids who enroll are just trying to keep the free party going because somebody else is paying for it.
“What does this say about the undergraduate programs at the University of Minnesota?”
I hate to break the news to you Wren but some programs actually try to flunk out students. In a lot of the engineering programs the attrition rates averaged about 50% in each class in the early sequences. They will let just about anyone take classes but they won’t give degrees to just anyone. What, you think you get into Harvard and you are guaranteed a degree? Doesn’t work that way. I know for a fact it was a point of pride for some programs how few students made it through. Programs are typically judged by the quality of their graduates not the quantity.
As d_a_c says about the University of Minnesota: “…Wake up, nutberger. The same is true of every public university in America. Half the kids who enroll are just trying to keep the free party going because somebody else is paying for it…”
They can have points of pride just as d_a_c points with pride in the above quote from him.
So, what the hell? That institution is wasting too darn much money by letting everyone in and then flunking over half of them out. It is NOT the efficient way of doing things. It also knocks the crap out of any kind of scholastic rankings. By having over 50% of the students not capable of graduating it makes it so darn easy for the top 30% of the students that they are not being pushed at all. It’s a pretty crappy system.
I do not believe that they are too proud of their graduation numbers in the year 2008.
Check out the better colleges and university rankings. They do NOT flunk out over half of the students they admitted. They have some pride in the types of students that they do admit. All the students push each other that way. Flunking out over half the students that you admit means that you are admitting that over half the students should have NEVER been admitted.
The U of M wastes entirely too much money on students that don’t have a shot at graduating if that is the case. They should shut down over half of the University of Minneaota undergraduate programs, dorms, and fire all those deade weight professors who are wasting their time messing with students who are not competent enough to compete and graduate in that system.
What you describe is a failure of an institution to be responsible in the admissions process. It is a bloated and inefficient system that needs to have money and resources drained from it.
What you describe is a failed system that spends entirely too much money on the wrong things.
“What you describe is a failed system that spends entirely too much money on the wrong things.”
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No, Wrenbawlbaby, what we are describing is the entire government education system. It is a waste and a failure to a large degree. Look who’s running it and you will understand why.
That does not mean that good kids who want to take advantage of their opportunities do not learn and graduate. They do. But public universities can never cut down on enrollment by tightening qualifications because all of the useless clerks and petty bureaucrats are paid out of public funds allocated PER STUDENT. Less students means less money and less money means less useless clerks, petty bureaucrats, and worthless communists teaching.
That’s why we can be proud of our football program. It graduates a higher percentage of its people than does the University overall.
Then the University of Minnesota should drop undergraduate education. Perhaps that is the perfect answer.
However, our football program was 1-11 and 0-8 in the Big Ten. They have already achieved rock bottom under brewster. That brewster dude is really something!
DAC what does “Michelle” refer to? Just curious.
Rock bottom came with Mason’s final choke, giving up 500 points and 5,000 yards in the 4th quarter.
The program now has hope again with a decent recruiter.
Turbo … That’s what CrudingPantherHogeye calls herself.
Recruiting says:
Howell admitted last fall that his grades in high school caused most recruiters to pass. Howell had no other scholarship offers and committed to the Gophers a few days before signing day.
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If what Recruiting says is true, the question is this: why is Brewster offering a scholarship to a kid other schools are passing on because of his grades? In some cases this is a good thing: you meet the kid, and something about him makes you think he’ll turn things around. In other cases, this is a bad thing: you offer him a scholarship because you’re desperate for players, and this clouds your judgment. I don’t know enough to know which of these scenarios, if either, is true, but hopefully this isn’t a harbinger of things to come.
thewrenagain says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
d_a_c brings us the good news: “…You do realize, don’t you, that more than half the kids who ever enroll at the University of Minnesota drop out or flunk out without a degree?…”
What does this say about the undergraduate programs at the University of Minnesota? Why should we tax payers even keep the undergraduate programs at the U of M open if they don’t do a better job of selecting students? What a waste of our tax dollars.
jimbo, I’ll bet that really makes you and your sons proud!
prexy b needs to either shut it down and start all over…or…maybe it would help if he would crack down on under-aged drinking on campus.
either start producing students or shut the undergraduate programs down prexy b.
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Wren, where did you go to college? It’s apparent by your lack of response that you never did. So the next question is, did you ever even receive your GED?
I am damned proud of all the accomplishments in my life, not the least of which is my education.
PLEASE discontinue your affiliation with the University of Minnesota. You are a blight on all of society and a cancer among sane people.
david_allen_coe says:
May 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Wake up, nutberger. The same is true of every public university in America. Half the kids who enroll are just trying to keep the free party going because somebody else is paying for it.
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I wish someone would flunk punky, out as this seems to be all he is doing at the U.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimbo says:
May 29th, 2008 at 4:45 am
thewrenagain says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
d_a_c brings us the good news: “…You do realize, don’t you, that more than half the kids who ever enroll at the University of Minnesota drop out or flunk out without a degree?…”
What does this say about the undergraduate programs at the University of Minnesota? Why should we tax payers even keep the undergraduate programs at the U of M open if they don’t do a better job of selecting students? What a waste of our tax dollars.
jimbo, I’ll bet that really makes you and your sons proud!
prexy b needs to either shut it down and start all over…or…maybe it would help if he would crack down on under-aged drinking on campus.
either start producing students or shut the undergraduate programs down prexy b.
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Wren, where did you go to college? It’s apparent by your lack of response that you never did. So the next question is, did you ever even receive your GED?
I am damned proud of all the accomplishments in my life, not the least of which is my education.
PLEASE discontinue your affiliation with the University of Minnesota. You are a blight on all of society and a cancer among sane people.
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What a dumbass…..Wren lettered at the U of M, dunce, how about you?!!!!!
Really! In what? Stupidity?
Crudeboy, if you’re looking at the link on Google where it looks like Wren is quoted as saying he lettered in tennis, follow the link. You’ll see that the guy who lettered in tennis is the quote following Wren’s.
You, too, are as dumb as a bag of rocks.
I think if Brewster picked his nose the Masonites would get all upset and act like the world is coming to an end.
Listen, we have Brewster for two more years. There is nothing we can do about it, unless Loon decides to spill the beans and tells everyone all the cheating going on at the U. Since we have Brewster for two more years, I’m going to let the next two years play out before I jump to conclusions.
I’m telling you guys, there is a chance all the things you wrote could come back and bit you. That has happened to you guys (Masonites) many, many, many times over the years. I could spend all day writting the ridiculous things you guys have wrote.
I’m just saying, do not count your chickens before they hatch. I just trying to help you guys save face, because I still think Brewster could turn things. If he does, we’ll see tons of back tracking by the Masonites like we ALWAYS do.
P.S. I think Big Al is the only one in the bunch that has some sense.
Recruiting, Loon, and Wren
How many Gopher Points do you currently hold? I think its a legit question to see how you support the team you say you don’t hate
jimbo, you incredibly jerk: “…: “…You do realize, don’t you, that more than half the kids who ever enroll at the University of Minnesota drop out or flunk out without a degree?…”…” THAT is what d_a_c says about the University of Minnesota.
I’m not going to go low-rent, low-classed and low-brow the way you do with your name-calling habits. I don’t need to do that. Every time you do you crap all over the image you present.
I am using the words of d_a_c to show you what your good buddy and partner, d_a_c thinks about the U of M:
“…Wake up, nutberger. The same is true of every public university in America. Half the kids who enroll are just trying to keep the free party going because somebody else is paying for it…”
I merely ask the question of why should such a wasteful and incompetent educational system as d_a_c says the U of M undergraduate school is be allowed to exist? Why should prexy b keep demanding more and more money to keep that system that is so incredibly inefficient open?
I am confronting you and your sons with the words of you good pal d_a_c. That’s the deal here jimbo…yopu incredibly mouthy name-calling lower-classed member of society. That’s the deal…
Recruiting says:
May 29th, 2008 at 6:49 am
$2 million??????? Mr Flash!!!!! Does he really need a $2 million home to entertain the trailor trash he is recruiting??
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Man, you were so close to be right here. One word off:
$2 million??????? Mr Flash!!!!! Does he really need a $2 million home to entertain the trailor trash THAT is Recruiting??
So close.
–$2 million??????? Mr Flash!!!!! Does he really need a $2 million home to entertain the trailor trash he is recruiting??–
Actually, he bought the house from Mason. You know the one he used to entertain Robert McField & the Ohio 3 with.
Hey Recruiting/PantherHawk….the Hawkeyes unveiled their new uniforms.
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One of two former University of Iowa football players made his initial appearance in Johnson County District Court this morning on a sex abuse charge.
Cedric D. Everson III, 18, made his appearance at 8:35 a.m. before Judge Sylvia Lewis. Lewis set Everson’s bond at $10,000, and ordered that Everson have no contact with the victim in the case.
Everson’s arrest warrant is for a charge of second-degree sex abuse. Everson’s attorney, Leon Spies of Iowa City, said that the Johnson County Attorney’s Office has yet to formally charge his client, and that the state has 45 days in which to do so. When that charge is filed, Spies said, his client “will not plead guilty.”
Everson arrived at the jail early this morning. He appeared in person before the judge rather than via video link from the jail because of technical difficulties. HE WAS WEARING THE STANDARD ORANGE JUMPSUIT AND HANDCUFFS.
Everson’s charge stems from an alleged sexual assault that occurred in Hillcrest Hall on Oct. 14. The UI Police Department has also obtained an arrest warrant for Abe Satterfield, another former Hawkeye defensive back. Both left the team and the university on Dec. 17. Satterfield faces second- and third-degree sex abuse charges and has yet to be taken into custody.
Actually, I am glad to see him making an investment in Minnesota real estate. Tells me he is committed to the state and U. Now, let the guy do his job and we will see how he does. The Gophers need a season opening win in the worst way to repair a damaged psyche and start some momentum and confidence. I hope the guys bust their azzes this off-season.
Wren, keep trying to insult me. Unlike you, I am successful, have many friends, my spouse and children love and respect me, and I believe the future for my family and me holds great promise.
I attribute my position and outlook on life in large part to the upbringing by my parents and siblings, and the education I attained from all the schools I attended, from kindergarden on. One of these schools happens to be the University of Minnesota. I am offended that a low-life like you, who obviously never set foot on a college campus other than to attend an athletic event, continues to trash the quality of the school and its alumni.
However, it bothers me just a little, as I pity the meaninglessness of your pathetic life.
You should really try to get some help.
Fifty-one percent of college students graduate from baccalaureate institutions within five years of initial enrollment, according to new statistics compiled by ACT. The graduation rate has remained steady over the past four years and has dropped only slightly over the past 10 years (down from 54 percent in 1992), despite the fact that a significantly greater percentage of high school graduates are now attending college.
Meanwhile, the freshman-to-sophomore retention rate at baccalaureate colleges and universities in the U.S. has changed little over the past decade. In 2002, 74 percent of first-year students returned for their second year of college. This retention rate has remained virtually unchanged, fluctuating by no more than 1 percent up or down, over the past 14 years, despite the increase in college attendance during this period.
“When the percentage of students going to college increases, it is likely that some of them will be less academically prepared,” said Wes Habley, director of the ACT Office for the Enhancement of Educational Practices. “Those students are more likely than others to struggle in the classroom. The fact that graduation rates have remained relatively steady as college enrollment rates have increased should be interpreted as good news. It suggests colleges are paying attention to the needs of students with a greater diversity of academic skills.”
Among those programs and services that colleges offer to support student academic success, according to Habley, are: learning assistance programs, which focus on basic skills in mathematics and English as well as on reading and study skills; supplemental instruction, which provides students with additional support in mastering specific course content; and course placement, which aligns students’ academic skills with course difficulty. In addition, noted Habley, the academic advising program is pivotal in helping students identify areas of weakness and connecting them to sources of assistance.
“The majority of students who make it through their first year of college and return for their second year will eventually earn their degree,” said Habley. “While the transition to college is difficult for many students, those who enter college with more limited academic skills find even greater challenges. For them, getting through that first year is often the toughest hurdle.”
The data in this report were compiled from the ACT Institutional Data Questionnaire, which is completed annually by more than 2,500 two-year and baccalaureate institutions across the U.S. The graduation rate information is based on the responses of 1,644 baccalaureate institutions, while the retention rate information is based on the responses of 1,450 baccalaureate institutions.
Let’s see now … if 51% of enrollees in public universities finish and get a degree in five years, that must mean 49% don’t. Hmmmmm … that’s about half.
Even a stupid moron like the renbawlbaby should be able to comprehend that.
jimbo: I’ve got a fantastic life! I’d say I am the luckiest man alive! Sorry to shoot down your attempts to try to make yourself feel superior to some individual that also walks the face of the earth, but I have done just fine thank you!
I’m also proud of my upbringing, education, and the way I have conducete my affairs and business for all of my life.
You can b.s all you want but you don’t know me and never will. You are just another internet nut case who is flipped out and is trying to spin some b.s. here on a blog.
Basically buzz off jimbl. I have no respect for you as an internet character. Why should I. You can talk all you want, but talk is cheap. In fact, your talk is cheaper than most…
Jumbo … All graduates of the U of M should be proud of their achievements and especially for having the guts to take advantage of the tremendous opportunity offered.
But just like society in general, the environment known as public universities consists of legions of slugs, wastlings, and lazy people interested in keeping the free party going at someone else’s expense while delaying as long as possible the realities of earning a living.
This in no way detracts from the achievements of those who want to learn. It is merely a reflection on society.
It is also a fact of life that universities must keep admitting more and more students in order to get more and more money from the legislatures.
Keep in mind that a vast majority of Americans take the SAT not ACT, FYI
Wren,
Just answer the question. Where did you go to college? Were you denied admission to the University of Minnesota? I cannot understand why someone shows such contempt towards that school.
It apparently is some sort of macho thing with Wren. Somehow it makes him feel like more of a man berating the University of Minnesota, its administration, its students, and its alumni.
WREN, WHAT ARE YOU CURRENT GOPHER POINT TOTALS? 0?
LOON? 0
The study cited had nothing to do with what entry qualification test students take. It is a survey of public universities and colleges.
Wren, just so you know, it doesn’t take a lot of effort to feel superior to you.
gogophers: I have plenty of points to do anything I wish re: seson tickets. That is all you deserve to know…and, obviously, you don’t even deserve that.
Wrenbawlbaby says,
” I have plenty of points … ”
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He meant Gopher points, dummy, not the one on the top of your little head.
jimbo: just so you know, you are a meaningless, insignificant fool as far as I am concerned. You have no value to me. You are what your words imply about you. You deserve all of the names that you call other people to be the image of who and what you are. You are just another meaningless mouth.
Thank you, Wren. Coming from you, it means a lot.
Crudeboy/Pantherhogbreath, I’m still trying to learn the details of Wren’s U of M letter.
Michelle is a filthy pornographer.
And an ignorant one. Doesn’t know how to spell “Confucius.”
All of the Gopher haters are ignorant and uneducated. One is a filthy pornographer too.
DAC,
Wren went to college…clown college!
Hilarious … The stinking crude POOG is a football fan. Too funny, porno queen.
These Gopher Points aren’t exactly equal to your social security number or your bank ATM number.
You are no Gopher fan. A true gopher fan would be proud of their Gopher Points.
From looking at the NCAA web-site this is what I come up with. Each football program has a base score of 925 that they must stay above. You have two types of individuals that leave a program. They are refered to as 1 for 2’s and 0 for 2’s. A 1 for 2 is a player that leaves your program in good academic standing and a 0 for 2 is a player that leaves in bad academic standing. You can not lose a scholarship for 1 for 2’s. They can only drive your base line score down below 925. If you have any 0 for 2’s while you are below 925 then the school starts to lose scholarships for the 0 for 2’s. They school only loses the scholarship for one academic year. This would mean that the U could only have 84 scholarship athletes instead of 85 in a year in which the NCAA decided to take it away. The count back will be four years starting next year. It was 5 in 2007’s reporting. I hope this helps others to understand what the ARP is and how it works. It is all about retention and how the statistics show that keeping athletes in school helps grad. rates. DAC I do believe that a good portion of the students in the normal student body do leave school because they can not afford college anymore. I do not believe that college is meant for everyone and the standards in place should reflect an individuals ability to do college level work. If we are admitting athletes in to the university under the guidelines then we should get them all the help they need to do the work. You can overload a sytem though with to many at risk student athletes.
Thanks for your research, Bud.
Bud … Thanks for a great contribution. That helps my understanding.
I would like to offer a few comments and a couple of questions:
1) You have showed us how school’s lose points and scholarships. How do they raise their point total back up? I assume by graduating a player in five years there are positive points awarded, is that correct?
2) Based on this system, there must be a ton of Division 1 schools down to less than 85 scholarships, unless, of course, they just pass guys through for doing no school work. This is my suspicion for the majority of schools including vaunted Michigan. And a school like Iowa has to be fudging on academic records. Otherwise when 15 players go to jail a year they would all presumably 0-2s. Iowa will soon be down to a few ball boys on the roster.
3) Now here’s a question. What happens with the NFL factories like Ohio State, Florida, Miami etc? Nobody is going to convince me that all the guys who leave school early for the draft have been going to class. They are there to prepare for the draft and many of them could care less about school. When Ohio State loses five guys early to the draft they don’t graduate and if they are honest, most of those would not be in good academic standing when they leave school. Why does Ohio State or Miami have 85 scholarships?
4) Certainly many kids leave school for financial reasons. Not all because they can’t afford school .. many because they need to be gainfully employed. Many recognize a university education will never help them in their lives. But most of the dropouts are either academically unqualified or they are lazy. They are allowed in so the school can get more public money.
5) With NCAA rules, team rules, enforced study halls, academic counseling, mentoring, and great role models in the coaching staff, it is no wonder that football players graduate at a higher rate than the general student population.
Bud … Here’s a notion many here will find controversial. I join Tom Osborne in believing that if a dozen or two guys out of a student population of 45,000 don’t care about school, then so be it. As long as they are willing to give four or five years of hard work, sweat, and pain to draw the crowds that pay for all non-revenue sports, they are making a great contribution to the university whether they go to class or not.
Education is an opportunity. It is offered to athletes. If ten people out of 45,000 don’t want the opportunity but are willing to sacrifice to pay the bills for all sports, why would we care?
d_a(sp)_c, here’s your answer to #3, and a bit of an explanation to #2: The NCAA is corrupt and capricious in their enforcement of all their “rules.”
What do you think it would do to revenues if a bunch of the mega-football factories became mediocre?
Jimbo–the best example the past couple years has been USC. If the NCAA was consistent, their athletic program should have been shut down.
My biggest head scratcher is Stanford. With their academic standards how can they field a competitive football team (they beat USC last year) and basketball team that is many times highly ranked? Also Northwestern, Michigan and Cal are two schools with high academic standards. Hopefully these athletes take advantage of the opportunities to be students at these universities because how many go on to become professional athletes? And they get a free ride thru 5 years
It is not that bad Jimbo. Only 0 or 2’s count towards losing scholarships. If the Iowa players were in good academic standing when they locked them up then they would only count as 1 for 2’s. No lose of scholarships. The same is true of our jail birds Jones and McField. Providing that they were in good academic standing they only count towards dropping us below the 925 score. If you have an 0 for 2 during the time you are below the bar then you start to lose scholarships for the 0 for 2 guys. There are quite a few schools below the 925 mark but if they do not have 0 for 2’s they are not losing scholarships but during that time that they are below the 925 and they get an 0 for 2 then they will lose a scholarship. As far as guys leaving early for the NFL they become a 1 for 2. They have 6 years in which to get their degree. Most try but not may do end up getting their degree in that time frame. If you graduate a player you get a bonus point thrown back into the pool. If I read this correctly the best thing is to have your guys go through as 2 for 2’s and graduate. You end up with an extra point for that athlete to cover up a 1 for 2. The complience guys must have to have a minor in accounting these days.
NYC … The academic “standards” at Michigan don’t apply to football and basketball. There is no possible way.
Jumbo is exactly right when he says the NCAA rules are only enforced on patsys like Minnesota who can be counted on the ferret out their own violations and then run screaming to the NCAA begging for punishment.
I ask the question again: does anyone here believe the multitude of guys who leave early for the draft have actually been caring about class and homework? What a joke.
Of the likely top 20 picks in the coming NBA draft, only a couple of guys are seniors with a chance to graduate. Most are freshmen and sophomores.
Do we seriously assume the freshmen and sophs who are only in school to prepare for the draft and for their multi-million-dollar contracts actually gave a rat’s azzz about school?
Bud … Please …. it would test credulity to believe all 15 of Iowa’s prison-bound criminals were in good academic standing before robbing banks and raping women. No way. Iowa is cheating on the rules just like virtually every other school.
My guess is that any objective study would show Minnesota is the cleanest, most compliant BCS school.
NYC, not sure if you caught this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2966536&sportCat=ncf
Big dust up when Jim Harbaugh (now the Stanford coach) made statements to the effect that Michigan could actually educate its football players instead of shunting them to a football controlled program.
Bud … I disagree with your contention that “most” guys who leave school early for the NFL or NBA drafts try to get their degrees. For what?
I am reminded of the time many years ago when Bjorn Borg was about 17 and he came to Minnesota for an exhibition match. An enterprising reporter asked him if, being so busy as a tennis pro, he had time to work on completing high school? Bjorn looked at him and said, “Are you crazy? I’m making millions of dollars. How many of you with your high school diplomas can say that?”
Actually, TX, USC is not the first that would come to mind, but an excellent example. My biggest beefs against the NCAA are with their handling of Ohio State and Florida State. Of course, there’s the whole academic thing, but don’t get me going on FSU still using a Native American nickname.
Who all heard that the SEC coaches have put in a petition to have an early signing period in the fall?
What does everyone think of that idea? I for one am all for it. I’ve never understood why football doesn’t have an early signing period.
Jimbo: from what I’ve read about the Indian tribe name being used, it’s about what the particular tribe wants. The Seminoles of Florida gave the okay to Florida State. I’ve also read that there are Seminoles in Oklahoma that are not happy with that decision. Also the Chippewas(sp) of Michigan gave the okay for Central Michigan to use their name. The Sioux of North Dakota have said they do not want their name used for NDSU hence the lawsuit/trouble they are having.
I like the idea of the early signing day, it should be a no brainer, which is probably why the NCAA doesn’t do it.
Jimbo, the tribe wants FSU to keep the nickname. Quit being so politically correct. Next they will say the Vikings are offensive, or the animal activists will say we are being cruel to Gophers or Beavers or something.
All of these NCAA rules are phony. I especially love the financial aid rules.
A scholarship athlete can have room, board, tuition and books. So are we supposed to believe that athletes recruited from inner city homes with no father are getting spending money each month from their mothers? Huhhhh?
Or should we believe a kid can come to your school and stay five years without eating a pizza? Without going on a date? Without washing his clothes? Without ever flying home for a holiday?
Did any of your kids stay in college five years without asking for some spending money?
“Next they will say the Vikings are offensive, or the animal activists will say we are being cruel to Gophers or Beavers or something.”
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Well you can’t deny Gophers have been cruel to humans the past 40 years.
The Star Tribune shows its true colors again today by running about the 40th front page story on Dom Jones.
An illegal alien or a gang banger would need to murder at least a hundred people to get onto the front page. The Islamic propaganda charter school here, operating illegally on public funds, could invite Osama bin Laden for a guest lecture and not get on the front page.
But a Gopher football player? That’s different.
NYC, either you ban the names or you don’t. End of story. If you ban them Florida State and Central Michigan need to change their names, as well as NDSU. If you don’t, then so be it. You said it yourself. Not all Seminoles are happy with it Florida State.
Florida State will not be changing its name because the NCAA is crooked, and doesn’t have the balls to take on FSU and its alums.
For many years, I have been waging a campaign against the use of the Vikings name. My wife is 100% Scandinavian, and thus my children are 50%. Imagine their shame as that fat guy with a beard rides his motorcycle around the dome, and people are in the stands wearing hats with horns and blonde pigtails. It brings a tear to my eye every time I think of the emotional trauma they endure. We are prepared to file a $5 billion dollar suit against the Minnesota professional football team, and the NFL.
It is OK to be young and ignorant. That is part of the educational process both in life and in school. With an open mind, education and life experience, a person can grow.
When Mason was the coach I was appalled by the general level of true ignorance shown by the so called fans. How can some of you guys be over 30 years of age and still be so ignorant?
What was true under all our previous coaches was sure to be true under this coach and future coaches as long as these rules apply.
1) The best schools and the best programs can cherry pick those very rare young men who have great talent and top brains. Thus, Stanford, Duke in basketball, Ohio State etc. You will recall, for example, OSU did now offer Russell or Ernie.
2) Some universities are a ton easier than others. Period. Troy State, for example. How could a person who could peel an apple fail there?
3) Some programs at some universities are a ton easier than others. Miami has some top programs and some true basketweaving programs. The U wants to avoid that. Thus, what pretend programs can we hide our knuckle draggers?
4) Some universities have football as their top priority. LSU would be a good example. Iowa would be another. Football trumpts everthings else. I can not imagine, literally, what could get Dom Jones kicked out of Alamaba. Shooting the coach from close range would probably be OK.
5) The U and the state of Minnesota want to be serious about the U as an academic and crime free place. At Baylor, for example, once a jock crosses that little pedestrian bridge over onto the whore side of town, anything goes. D. Jones would not have been charged over there. Period. No one would care.
6) They are who they are and we are who we are and the coach must live by our rules. Is it fair? No. Is it equal? No, not even close. Can we win big against LSU types? No, not very often.
Thus, we are once again involved in a race for the 10th coach in a row. Can this coach win big here before he is fired? No.
To win here we need to become one of those programs that can cherry pick top players who do not have doggy doo for brains. That will not be done by a dog and pony blow hard like Brewster.
Now, please everyone, grow up and stop being ignorant. This place is special but it is not easy at all here to win at football. We can not give out free “Get Out of Jail” cards like some places. We can not play the “you don’t really have to pass classes” game. And we have to earn the right to cherry pick over a long haul of playing better football. Catch 22 has us and the only thing we done in the last few years to help us at all is get the new stadium.
The last ten years of some progress has now been totally tossed away (stadium excepted) and we will be starting over again in a few years. The whole thing makes me mad, but it is what it is and too many of you guys were too ignorant to see it. There is no quick fix for us and until the basic rules are somehow changed we are really in big trouble with Brewster/Maturi, etc.
DAC, if an athlete is truly in need they may recieved their full pell grant and aid on top of their scholarship. That woould be about 1,800 dollrs per semester. Don’t fool yourself into believing that the truly needy do not get their due. It is the poor player in the middle that has parents who have a house with some equity in it that end up with the short end of the stick. There is also an NCAA fund that students in need can apply for that has millions of dollars that the NCAA is trying to give away. Just stroll around the football team and see how many players are wearing 200 dollar tennis shoes and clothing that many of us would not think of buying for our children. The electronics and jewlery are unbelieveable also.
Regarding the Seminoles: I believe only the Florida Seminoles were allowed to have their say on the subject. Also if enough Scandinavians thought that the they were being made fun of by the portrayal of the Vikings mascot, then go ahead and pursue the lawsuit.
“Fighting Irish”. Imagine how that shames a mild mannered scholar like me.
If a player can’t get by on a full ride, how in hell’s name can the vast majority of students who don’t get a full ride.
I got zero.zero pennies from my folks over five years, very little help from rides. Many others do the same.
Loon,
How many gopher points do you have?
My point is that the whole name thing is ridiculous in the way it has been handled. And the NCAA is made up of buffoons. End of story.
Bud …. If there is aid money for needy athletes, why did one of our coaches get in hot water for loaning a football player $40 when he lost his wallet? How about the time an assistant got busted for giving a kid $200 to fly home?
“Fighting Irish”. Imagine how that shames a mild mannered scholar like me.”
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Still available are “French Cowards” and “D ____ Appeasers”.
Loonatic … You and I are exceptions to the rule. Almost all kids today get a steady flow from home. Also, normal students are allowed to work. Jocks can’t.
Looney and d_a(sp)_c, like you, I paid my own way through college. And yes, it also took me 5 years to graduate. I worked very hard, and graduated with no debt. This is the one of the reasons that Wren trivializing this effort irks me so much.
GoGophers, I have no idea how many points I have. I don’t think I get any points at all for the thirty years I drove and flew in for mostly away games when I was working in eastern Canada.
My anger is for the many excellent Gopher fans who are being pushed aside “into my seats” in spite of their great, great loyalty.
How many devine points do you have?
DAC, athletes can now work during the school year. Sorry to date yourself. As for the coaches that gave the players money the were stupid. There are rules in place and they decided to break them. Either of those players could have recieved what they needed if they would have gone to the athletic administration and told them their problem. Don’t make ecusses for coaches who break the rules. The coaches are tested every year on the NCAA rules, so they should know what is OK and what is not. To many times we sit here and think that the NCAA sits around making up these rules. They do not. It is the coaches who are always trying to get around the rules that cause the NCAA to pass all the legislation. Through ABUSE comes CONTROL DAC. Coach Saban did not like the fact that the Div. I coaches were taken off the road this spring so he has set up equipment clinics all over the place so the high school coaches can come to him. Now there are some who would say,what a great idea. He is going against the intent of the rule. Now the NCAA will have to come out next year and take the equipment clinics away. Why cann’t some coaches just work within the rules and do their job?
Loon … I agree with you that the priority should be years of continuous season tickets, not writing a check tomorrow. I don’t want some drug deal or pornographer to get good seats just because they have illicit cash.
” … athletes can now work during the school year.”
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ROTFLMAO!!!! Yes, by all means, let’s ask football players to practice three hours a day, take mandatory study hall, go to class, lift weights, travel to away games, and ….. take a job too? Gawd, that’s hilarious.
And from January to May they should do all of the above except practice (and also do Spring practice) and lift weights and do conditioning drills a few hours a day plus …. take a job?
Great. Just great. The average empty-headed professor at the U works about 12 hours a week but football players should work 120 hours a week?
Incredible.
DAC, I did not say it would be easy. I was just replying to your statement that the NCAA did not allow them to work. You need to settle down a little bit or you will never fully recover from your health issues. If the U is going by the rules the football players should be in football related activities 20 hours per week in season and 8 out of season. This does not include any study table or academic related requirements. It would be difficult to work and play football but there are players that do it because of need. The NCAA does not denie them that option any longer.
I do not work 120 hours a week and many who know me call me a workaholic.
DAC, in regaurds to your statement about most players not wanting to get their degree after leaving early for the NFL. While they are around the program that they are playing at, they get exposed to many ex-players who come back. Some have had long careers in the league and some not. But the message that they recieve from the past players is get your degree. Even if it takes you a long time. Football does not last for ever. The NFL has very good statistics that show the players the success rates of retired NFL players who have a degree and who did not get a degree. It does open their eyes. Plus many of the inner city kids promise their parents that they will get their degree and they want to make good on that promise. The parents know what is best for their child. I get to work with many of these athletes after their playing days as clients and believe me they know the power of having a degree.
