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Thursday, July 7, 1955: Can you get drunk on beer?

Posted on July 9th, 2008 – 7:50 PM
By Ben Welter

In a United Press story published in the Minneapolis Tribune, a Yale man who probably managed to avoid frat houses during his undergrad years demonstrates that you can be right about all the facts and still come to the wrong conclusion.

Can You Get Drunk on Beer?

‘No,’ Says Yale Professor; ‘Yes,’ Say Others

NEW YORK – (UP) – Yale university’s famed studies on alcoholism have produced a controversy over whether or not beer is an intoxicating beverage.

Dr. Leon A. Greenberg, Yale professor of physiology, said beer isn’t – and should be reclassified to the non-intoxicating drinks.

This brought emphatic objection from other scientists. They wanted to know if the man who is “high” or “tight” isn’t also drunk. Beer certainly makes people “high” and “tight,” they said.

Greenberg’s scientific theory went like this:

For people to show consistently the “abnormal behavior” which goes with intoxication, the alcohol content of their blood must be 0.15 per cent or higher.

THE AVERAGE alcohol content of American beers is 3.7 per cent by weight. In order for the alcohol blood level to be at 0.15 per cent, there would have to be two and one-half quarts of 3.7 beer in the stomach. But the capacity of the human stomach is one and one-half to two quarts.

Therefore, no one can drink enough beer at one time to get intoxicated, according to theory. As for doing it by degrees: beer is destroyed or eliminated in the body at the rate of one-third of a quart an hour. So three quarts would have to be consumed in two or three hours, and this, he said, was “physiologically unnatural.”

“THE ALCOHOLIC must not drink beer. He must not drink beer, not because it is intoxicating but because, like a small amount of alcohol in any other form, it may facilitate the uncontrolled drinking for which the alcoholic has a special liability.”

His v[i]ews were published in the official journal of the Yale studies. Other scientists were invited to publish their objections at the same time. And these objections were mainly that Greenberg did not recognize stages or degrees of drunkenness – the differences between a man who is a little drunk and one who is very drunk.

Dr. Albion Roy King, professor of philosophy, Cornell college, Mount Vernon, Iowa, said Greenberg has performed a “feat of word manufacture and manipulation which simply makes more graphic what everybody knows, that it takes more drinking to get tight on beer than on whisky.”

Dr. Harry M. Tiebout, a psychiatrist and vice chairman of the Connecticut commission on alcoholism, said Greenberg’s view is “simple nonsense – in the eyes of most beer drinkers.”

“THEY MAY KNOW nothing about their blood level or the percentage alcohol content of the beer drink, and they care less.

“What they do know is that they get drunk on beer, using their definition. Alcohol is alcohol, in any concentration and its regular use can lead to trouble.”

Dr. Frank J. O’Brien, associate superintendent of schools, New York city, objected to the generalizing on the grounds that alcohol affects different people differently.

Maybe he was thinking of this: An A&W root beer stand in about 1955. (Photo courtesy mnhs.org)

16 Responses to "Thursday, July 7, 1955: Can you get drunk on beer?"

Don Ward says:

July 10th, 2008 at 12:16 am

Thousands and thousands of college kids and military service youth, will tell you that IT IS possible to get sticking drunk on beer!!! While you might get bloated first if drinking 3.2 beer, you can still get drunk if you put away enough of the stuff!!! Here in Thailand, the beer is 5 to 7.5 % and you can get drunk!!!

root beer drinker says:

July 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am

What a laugh. OF course beer can get you intoxicated. I was a bartender. What would you like to know about drunks????!!!

DFAL says:

July 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am

I, myself, have gotten drunk from beer in my younger days.

It’s an asinine assertion that beer isn’t intoxicating. This article proves that even decades ago the Ivy League colleges were overrated.

Wasn’t it also Yale that made all their new students pose nude, like Hillary Clinton, because they wanted to study body shape and intelligence?

Carl says:

July 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am

Even more energy was needlessly expended in the fifties watching ” 21 ” and looking for the perfect cigarette filter.

Sweet, now I know I’ll never be an alcoholic. « Write Before Thinking says:

July 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am

[…] If I lived during the 50s I’d be on my second or maybe even third beer by now because, contrary to common knowledge, it’s not like you can get drunk on beer. […]

John S says:

July 10th, 2008 at 10:50 am

If I had a dollar for every time I was drunk on beer I would be out in my yacht now, and not writing on these stupid blogs.

John S says:

July 10th, 2008 at 10:51 am

I had Belgian beer once that was 19% by volume ethanol. It tasted like moldy socks though and I couldn’t drink enough to get drunk.

Kevin Sloshed says:

July 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am

“For people to show consistently the “abnormal behavior” which goes with intoxication, the alcohol content of their blood must be 0.15 per cent or higher.”

0.15?? If that’s the case, I’ve never shown up drunk for work!!!

Yay fir mEEE!

J W L says:

July 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

Oh my God DFAL, would you really want to see Hillary Clinton naked?

Frank Lee says:

July 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

This is GREAT news!!! When stupid cops pull me over after a night of drinking beer, I can tell the judge that it’s been scientifically proven that I’M NOT DRUNK!

John S says:

July 11th, 2008 at 7:05 am

Back in the late 70’s I blew a .18 and got to drive home. I just got a ticket for a loud muffler, or should I say “no muffler?”

Mark the B says:

July 11th, 2008 at 11:05 am

This is the same college (Yale) George W. Bush attended. Coincience? I think not. Dr. Greenberg, if still alive, may be up for a position within the Bush administration. Say, Head Keg Tapper or maybe Surgeon General.

BikerMo says:

July 11th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

i know how many beers i had last thursday at the bike rally in algona- 11 12 oz. cans. so that’s 132 oz, equaling approximately 4.125 quarts. i also know i was plenty drunk.

theory disproved!

and in case you’re curious, i’m a girl!

Scott says:

July 17th, 2008 at 11:27 am

Ha! You think you’re so smart, offisher? Look at this article — it’s imposshible!

Epicanis says:

July 18th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

I’m not certain, but I think this is the official reference:

Greenberg LA: “The definition of an intoxicating beverage.” Q J Stud Alcohol. 1955 Jun;16(2):316-25

I have GOT to get my hands on a copy of that publication…

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