Comments on: Gardenhire keeping up with Cox’s pace http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/ Exploring the soft underbelly of sports Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:37:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Dave MN http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41871 Dave MN Fri, 09 May 2008 17:39:43 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41871 Thanks, ramon, that clears it up. Seems like a stupid rule though. If it's the difference between a walk and a full count, it doesn't seem right to let the baserunners advance, when they were of the mentality that they were able to do so freely. The argument could have gone both ways. I'm sure Ozzie would have gone ballistic if Joe had thrown one of the runners out after the home plate ump called a walk. Thanks, ramon, that clears it up.

Seems like a stupid rule though. If it’s the difference between a walk and a full count, it doesn’t seem right to let the baserunners advance, when they were of the mentality that they were able to do so freely. The argument could have gone both ways. I’m sure Ozzie would have gone ballistic if Joe had thrown one of the runners out after the home plate ump called a walk.

]]> By: ramon http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41866 ramon Fri, 09 May 2008 17:12:05 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41866 Right - it wasn't malevolent... but he still looked like a madman on some kind of psychotropic (sic) meds. Dave - at one point I could swear I read Gardy's lips and he was asking the same question. Turns out Gardy was wrong: Baseball rule 9.02(c) "...Baserunners must be alert to the possibility that the base umpire on appeal from the plate umpire may reverse the call of a ball to the call of a strike, in which event the runner is in jeopardy of being out by the catcher's throw. Also, a catcher must be alert in a base stealing situation if a ball call is reversed to a strike by the base umpire upon appeal from the plate umpire. The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing. On a half swing, if the manager comes out to argue with first or third base umpire and if after being warned he persists in arguing, he can be ejected as he is now arguing over a called ball or strike." Ironically, two of the nine members of the Playing Rules Committee are Terry Ryan and Rod Carew. Right - it wasn’t malevolent… but he still looked like a madman on some kind of psychotropic (sic) meds.

Dave - at one point I could swear I read Gardy’s lips and he was asking the same question. Turns out Gardy was wrong:

Baseball rule 9.02(c)

“…Baserunners must be alert to the possibility that the base umpire on appeal from the plate umpire may reverse the call of a ball to the call of a strike, in which event the runner is in jeopardy of being out by the catcher’s throw. Also, a catcher must be alert in a base stealing situation if a ball call is reversed to a strike by the base umpire upon appeal from the plate umpire. The ball is in play on appeal on a half swing. On a half swing, if the manager comes out to argue with first or third base umpire and if after being warned he persists in arguing, he can be ejected as he is now arguing over a called ball or strike.”

Ironically, two of the nine members of the Playing Rules Committee are Terry Ryan and Rod Carew.

]]> By: StraightCashHomey http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41842 StraightCashHomey Fri, 09 May 2008 15:14:36 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41842 If Ozzie didn't admire the Twins -- and vocally, at that -- the laughter would have seemed more malevolent. I think it was just a brief moment of levity for him, seeing another manager get tossed, in what's been a pretty terrible week. If Ozzie didn’t admire the Twins — and vocally, at that — the laughter would have seemed more malevolent. I think it was just a brief moment of levity for him, seeing another manager get tossed, in what’s been a pretty terrible week.

]]> By: Mudcat http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41837 Mudcat Fri, 09 May 2008 14:37:00 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41837 I think Ozzie was cracking up because Thome got his first stolen base in about 10 years. But Ozzie is acting like a manager who won't be around much longer, and who doesn't care. Besides, Bert said he uses the "F" word about every other word. I think Ozzie was cracking up because Thome got his first stolen base in about 10 years. But Ozzie is acting like a manager who won’t be around much longer, and who doesn’t care.

Besides, Bert said he uses the “F” word about every other word.

]]> By: Shaitan http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41833 Shaitan Fri, 09 May 2008 14:06:21 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41833 DaveMN, Only an ump can call a timeout. Mauer can ask for one, but the ump still has to grant it. He got caught sleeping. DaveMN,

Only an ump can call a timeout. Mauer can ask for one, but the ump still has to grant it. He got caught sleeping.

]]> By: Dave MN http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41829 Dave MN Fri, 09 May 2008 13:50:44 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41829 There is no way that Thome steals a base legitimately. That's what it comes down to. There is no way that Thome steals a base legitimately. That’s what it comes down to.

]]> By: Dave MN http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41827 Dave MN Fri, 09 May 2008 13:50:19 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41827 jama: the ump called it a walk though. I would hope that the players were almost to the next base unless they were cartwheeling there. jama: the ump called it a walk though. I would hope that the players were almost to the next base unless they were cartwheeling there.

]]> By: jama http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41822 jama Fri, 09 May 2008 13:35:23 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41822 Dave I look at it like what would Mauer do if those guys were stealing on that pitch anyway. I'm not sure but I don't think the challenge is considered a time out but I could be wrong. Even if the challenge caused a time out the Players were already almost to the next base by the time Mauer actually challenged. Dave I look at it like what would Mauer do if those guys were stealing on that pitch anyway. I’m not sure but I don’t think the challenge is considered a time out but I could be wrong. Even if the challenge caused a time out the Players were already almost to the next base by the time Mauer actually challenged.

]]> By: Dave MN http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41821 Dave MN Fri, 09 May 2008 13:28:46 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41821 When Mauer challenges a swing isn't that considered a time-out? You can't steal bases during a time-out. When Mauer challenges a swing isn’t that considered a time-out? You can’t steal bases during a time-out.

]]> By: jama http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41820 jama Fri, 09 May 2008 13:10:11 +0000 http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/randball/2008/05/08/gardenhire-keeping-up-with-coxs-pace/#comment-41820 Well other than the pitch was a strike to begin with but that is not what Gardy was contesting. Well other than the pitch was a strike to begin with but that is not what Gardy was contesting.

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